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Originally posted in January, 2007


Intermittent Reinforcement

by Doug



I get results when I take control. It is instant death when you hand over "control" to a woman.

My secret is to give women "intermittent reinforcement." This actually is a psychological phenomenon commonly documented in experiments involving rats.

The goal of the experiment is to have the rat press a lever as many times as possible. The rat is given a pellet of food after it presses a lever. If the rat gets a pellet every time, it soon gets satiated and stops pressing the lever.

If, on the other hand, the rat does not receive a pellet every time the lever is pressed, but receives a pellet intermittently, the rat will increase the frequency with which it presses the lever.

The analogy is fairly obvious: how do we get women to "press our lever" as many times as possible?

Easy, give her attention intermittently and unpredictably. Don't give her a pellet too often. Take control of when she receives one. Don't be at her beck and call.



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How to Trigger Deep Level Attraction in Women

by Swinggcat

RealWorldSeduction.com



In a minute I'm going to introduce you to some concepts and techniques for leaving women no choice but to feel sexual attraction for you. Yet... what I'm about to suggest has zero to do with sporting great looks or possessing bins of cash.

Although developing your sense humor and personality are crucial to succeeding with women, this letter isn't about attracting women through telling jokes or entertaining them.

A few of these secrets I've never mentioned. I've been hording them for myself 'til now.

Feel free to take the material I'm going to share with you and use it to attract women. It will give you a taste of what's possible. Don't be surprised if you feel the urge to learn more.

But first...

I want to share a story with you (Note: you might feel a temptation to skip the story and dive into the good stuff. But don't. It's important).

A buddy of mine recently felt despondent over his success with women, which amounts to a big, fat zero.

But here's the weird part...

He's fearless at approaching women. He's a master at engaging them in conversation -– most women find him funny and charming. He has no problem getting their numbers, talking to them on the phone, and setting up dates. He's got heaps of girls willing to break their plans to spend time with him.

But...

He cannot, for the life him, become sexually intimate with these women because...

They feel no attraction for him.

Convinced that his looks are holding him back, he's thinking about going under the knife. The procedures he's considering are so disgusting that when he told me about them I could feel my throat moving up-and-down inside my neck skin, struggling to keep my last meal from hurling up.

The reality is... looks aren't his problem. He's not a bad looking guy.

But there is something that's slaughtering his success with women.

However, he's not a strange aberration, an attraction retard we should cull from society and stick on a leper colony.

In fact... most of the male population is plagued with his problem.

The majority of men think attraction has to do with physical preference. "If you aren't a woman's type, you're better off moving on," they lament.

Some develop their personalities, thinking it's their ticket to stoking women's bellies with an endless supply of attraction. Developing your personality can help... but only if it's coupled with something else... something I'm going to share with you in a minute.

When most men see a woman throwing herself at an average looking male, they think, "He must have a mystical and innate sex appeal."

Well there isn't anything mystical or inborn about this guy's sex appeal. At a certain point he stumbled onto doing something to women that neither my friend nor 9/10ths of men trudging through the single seen trenches know exists.

I'm talkin' about SEXUAL TENSION

"What exactly is sexual tension?" you might be wondering.

It's a mixture of emotions: think excitement with a dash of fear, titillation with a tinge of uneasiness, and intrigue with a smidgen of worry.

There are two forms of sexual tension: Passive Sexual Tension (PST) and Active Sexual Tension (AST).

Passive Sexual Tension (PST) is when you do or say something that besots a woman into a passive sexual state. Years ago my sister and her friends got to have dinner with Johnny Depp. She was so attracted to Mr. Depp, that she just sat there like dumb dear in headlights, gawking at him in silence and feeling too tongue tied to talk. That's an example of Passive Sexual Tension. I teach tons of ways to trigger Passive Sexual Tension without possessing Johnny Depp's mug.

But I'm not going to talk about them in this article. Instead I want to discuss Active Sexual Tension (AST).

Active Sexual Tension is similar to its passive brother except that it compels women to actively respond to you.

Let's say, for example, I'm talkin' to a woman and sense that she's into me. At a certain point I might say to her: "You are terribly sarcastic... but that's cool because I'm the exact same way. And if we were to hang out we'd have the best time making fun of the people around us at their expense... but then our Karma would be tainted... so we can never be friends."

Most likely, this will trigger Active Sexual Tension, compelling her to insist: "Noo! We have to hang out! We've gotta be friends! We are going to have so much fun!"

I'm making her chase me. But not in the way she'd chase down a thief who stole her purse. Instead I'm emotionally driving her to chase me as a Prize having meaning and value to her. That's why I call the act of triggering Active Sexual Tension (AST) in women "Prizing."

All forms of effective Prizing are structured as a tension loop...

     1) Tension is sparked.

     2) Tension is increased.

     3) Tension is released.

     4) Tension is spark all over again.


Good movies have this structure...

     The movie begins by introducing conflict or drama, sparking unresolved emotional tension inside the viewer.

     Emotional tension increases up until the point of the climax.

     The tension, then, is released by bringing some resolution to the conflict or drama.

     And, finally, the movie ends by sparking that tension all over again, compelling you to see the sequel.


One of quickest and most effective ways to Prize a woman, triggering heaps of Active Sexual Tension (AST) in her, is to use what I call "Push-Pull." Push-Pull is emotionally pushing a woman away from you and then pulling her back in. Each Push triggers tension... and each Pull resolves that tension. To get a feel for Push-Pull, here's a real life dialogue...

It started off with the woman commenting on something I was saying to her friend.

Girl: Ew... that's gross. You're gross.

Swinggcat: (said after a long sigh) I had a feeling you couldn't handle me!

Girl: No no! That's not true. I can handle you.

Swinggcat: Alright... let's see how well you thumb wrestle.

(I win the thumb wrestling competition by shamelessly cheating.)

Girl: You cheated! That's no fair. I want a rematch.

Swinggcat: You know what... you're a feisty woman who knows what she wants. I like that about you.

Girl: Thanks.

Swinggcat: You just went up a notch in my book. Now you're at a one.

Girl: (laughing) You're F- ing really funny!

Swinggcat: You have good taste.

Girl: You have good taste. You're talkin' to me.

Swinggcat: Let's find out (I grab her and kiss her).

Swinggcat: Mm! I do have good taste.


This isn't just some cutesy conversation I had with a woman. There are a lot of deep, psychological mechanisms at work here and many layers of communication taking place. I could do a whole seminar just on this dialogue – I'm not kidding! But this is only a short article. So, instead, I want you to focus on two aspect of this dialogue... SEXUAL TENSION & PUSH-PULL.

Read through the dialogue a couple times and notice where I emotionally push the girl away from me, triggering Active Sexual Tension inside her. Pay attention to where I emotionally pull her into me, bringing closure and resolution to the tension I've created. And to learn everything you'll ever need to know about Push-Pull get yourself a copy of my audio course.

Perhaps you're thinking: "The dialogue between you and that woman sounds childish. Why would a woman want to thumb wrestle? I haven't thumb wrestled since the third grade. This girl must've been very young and immature. Or attracted to you from the get-go."

Here's the reality of it... I acted childish with her and that's why it worked. Women universally respond to what I call "child's play" flirting. To quote a friend of mine: "What was funny and amusing as a little kid is funny and amusing all over again."

In my experience, the more serious and adult a woman acts the better "child's play" flirting works. She has to spend her whole life as a serious person. It's a breath of fresh air when someone comes along that challenges her to let go, have fun, and act like a kid again.


Do women think Push-Pull is mean and manipulative?

If your intention is not to hurt women but to mess with them a bit and you keep it funny and playful, they'll find you charming. Most importantly, Push-Pull fills their bodies to brim with Sexual Tension.

Alas, my friend, because this is a short article we've barely scratched the surface of Sexual Tension, Prizing, Tension Loops, and Push-Pull.

Swinggcat
"Dr. of Attraction"


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From: MissShiz1 Sent: 1/8/2007 6:07 PM

Barf. No wonder I stopped dating.    





From: foofoogirliegirl007 Sent: 1/9/2007 10:37 AM

Oh, I am laughing so hard, I can't see straight!
 
Gosh, what "gems" these "men" are!
 
So, the analogy is a rat and a lever, huh?  I guess works...if you want to date a rat!
 
Oh, my, I'm still laughing!
 


 
 
From: eyes_up Sent: 1/9/2007 11:05 AM

And the lesson here?

Don't date players unless you want to play mind games.

It would be a great rescouse to find a fact list on how to spot a player.

By the way, I do believe women play this tune as well. This should be considered as not just a male oriented subject. Manipulation grows as well in places like those who would like to take in your money or time for their needs. Luckily none of us are helpless and we have the power to take care of our selves. Yah Hooo!

Love,

eyes
 


 
 
From: barbarany_9 Sent: 1/9/2007 11:15 AM

eyes,

Oh I totally agree - some women do play this game.

What I have found somewhat revealing is that this appears to be the answer to the question "do these guys have a manual?" It appears they have many.

You can't tell a player from a decent guy - that's the point. These guys PRACTICE at appearing decent. Others are just prey to them.

Truly a naseauting way to live

Barbara
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From: PrincessChickapea2 Sent: 1/9/2007 12:13 PM

I have dated a player or two ... unfortunately ... the last one pulled this silly sh*t on me in the first 20 minutes and I had no qualms about calling him on it and walking out the door.  I don't date ridiculous little boys disguised as grown men.  This makes me FURIOUS.  I'd rather be alone.  Forever.  Ugh.
 


 
 
From: foofoogirliegirl007 Sent: 1/9/2007 2:20 PM

Princess:   Loved your post.  ROFL.  Yes, silly boys - adult bodies, minds of four year olds!  I'm with you, girlfriend, I'd rather be alone and having fun!
 
These are just juveniles who want notches on their bedposts.
 


 
 
From: barbarany_9 Sent: 1/9/2007 3:39 PM

Unfortunately I have been taken in by 2 men like that. I knew both for quite a while. YEARS for both in fact.

I worked with and studied with them. I had NO - I repeat NO IDEA they were seducers. In fact - I had studied NLP along with my psychology and never once did it occur to me that these men were using it on me.

I am not a stupid woman. I am very educated. I am not talking about obnoxious "hey baby" players here. I am talking about men like our Ns who draw you in and then YEARS LATER you realize they have an agenda. They follow these player patterns.

Just a heads up

Barbara
http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com
 


 
 
From: eyes_up Sent: 1/10/2007 3:07 PM

Dear Barbara,

The times I had interveined with players, meaning relationships with losers...I was able to notice that something wasn't right. Even with the person I claimed to be "N" something just didn't seem balanced between what was said and what really was happening. Fortunately I have had good freindships with men and a really great long term relationship with one man that provided me with the insights of what I want in a significant other. Once that is established eather with friends, boyfriend or my brothers..I can tell the difference. I think it is something learned before we can speak. reading about it doesn't really sink into the brain in the way that experience does. My brothers are kind men and extremely monogamous. Can't say that for my father but hey it only takes one good impression to create the understanding.

I am sorry that you have had to deal with two lousey persons of the male gender. When it was time to check into the councilor to discuss the last N thing I managed to learn why in the world I was willing to accept this individual into my life. Now I clearly see how and why I did what I did. I am very happy it is over and now I have my head on straight
about who I am and not in accordance with any individual that targets my vulnerabilities. Once this is undeerstood..It is EASY to spot some one with an agenda. No one can take one for a ride if one knows who they are and is best of friends with self. This has helped all of my relationships. Healing can happen and life can be good.

take care...

Sincerely,

eyes
 


 
 
From: PrincessChickapea2 Sent: 1/10/2007 11:50 PM

At the very real risk of making you guys gag and hurl ... I'll tell you what one recent "date" said to me within hours of meeting:  
 
"I'm not the kind of guy to rush anything sexual (stupid laughter) ... I don't want to get a sloppy blow job."
 
Me (furiously):  "Rush until you win the Boston Marathon buddy.  You're not getting a bj, sloppy or otherwise.  I just met you and now I'm already sure I don't want to continue knowing you.  A$$hole."
 
Middle finger.  Gravel slinging everywhere from under my tires.
 
barf.
 


 
 
From: NewTurtle4 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:00 PM

I think I have dated him over and over and over again! grrrrrrrr
 
I kinda like being alone! At least I don't have to put up with jerks like this anymore.
 
Thanks for posting this. Now where is he so I can push and pull him with a rope while his grubby little hands are holding on to it as he is dangling over a cliff! lol
 
Turtle
 


 
 
From: barbarany_9 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:06 PM

People don't seem to get these "players" aren't obvious.

The ones I knew were family oriented men with good jobs. They didn't say smarmy things to me but they did manipulate me into positions where I was torn between listening to and ignoring my gut.

They were Ns. And it took me a while to find out. And I am NOT the only one this happens to.

http://www.lovefraud.com == great site

Barbara
 


 
 
From: NewTurtle4 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:17 PM

Yep, you are right. You are not the only one it happens too because it happens everyday!
 
Turtle
 


 
 
From: NewTurtle4 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:26 PM

Take the extra o off of that too. I need spell check! lol
 


 
 
From: foofoogirliegirl007 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:34 PM

Princess:  I might have replied, "Do I look like my middle name is Hoover?"
 
Gosh, glad to hear he has some standards.  PUH-LEEZE.
 
I wouldn't have given him a bj with someone else's mouth (new take on the old expression:  "I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole" and "I wouldn't touch him with someone else's ten foot pole.").
 

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Re: Archived Thread: Intermittent Reinforcement
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 01:32:43 PM »


From: foofoogirliegirl007 Sent: 1/11/2007 5:41 PM

Princess:
 
"I'm not the kind of guy to rush anything sexual (stupid laughter) ... I don't want to get a sloppy blow job."
 
That's supposed to be a pickup line?  Like that's supposed to get me ripping my clothes off?
 
Well, I would say it's a good thing he said that...showed exactly who he is!   
 


   
 
From: almosthealed2006 Sent: 1/11/2007 6:38 PM

Do they all come from the same shallow end of the gene pool? EWWWW! I remember being in the dating mode....after a 13 year dry spell...it was soo gross....

One idiot claimed to be an educated PhD......(I later discovered that stood for Pile High and Deep...)....he showed up at a very swank restaurant where we had agreed to meet in army camoflauge....smelling like a skunk with paint ball shots all over himself....he actually thought he looked cute.....he actually stepped on a skunk running through the woods from his buddies who were on his tail with the paint ball gun....


What a man-w***e...
The used car salesman was a doosey.....he was the very type you describe in this thread....he would throw me a few crumbs and then reel me in.....it happened twice....then I told him there were too many people in our relationship....he asked me, "why do you say that?" I told him that he was so in love with himself, there was no room for anyone else! He called me a bipch....right...He's a cheating jackass, but I am a bipch for pointing it out to him.....

One idiot was a psychologist who spent the whole evening calling his twelve year old daughter because in his words, "she's worried about me being out with someone.".....

me thinks his umbilical cord was still pulsatile....and daughter dearest knew just what to do to get his undivided attention.....God help anyone who may step into a wife role in that relationship.....he also brought his two slobbering hairy smelly collie dogs along on the date in the back of his Volvo....he looked like Woody Allen.....I cannot believe these clods....
Frogs....every one of them.....

I don't think there is a fine prince.....I think that's just imagination talking....

love, healing
 


   
 
From: barbarany_9 Sent: 1/11/2007 6:43 PM

>>Do they all come from the same shallow end of the gene pool?<<

That's what I am trying to say!

We often comment on how ALIKE they are - do they all have the same playbook?

Yup... they sure do!

Barbara
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From: PrincessChickapea Sent: 1/11/2007 10:31 PM

I guess I should have elaborated on Mr. Blow Job.  He was an atty. who owned - I admit - a great boat and his own plane.  His flash toys I suppose.  Flash 'em and they overcome the complete lack of character and humanity behind the facade.
 
Oh, and ...  of course ... he talked non-stop about, you guessed it, HIMSELF.  Alllllll the ladies who wanted him because he was the big lawyer with the boat and airplane.
 
Owning the Princess Cruise Line and Southwest Airlines couldn't make that dude touchable, bearable or any less disgusting.  The "I Am THE Sh*t" boys club.
 
Do ALL of them laugh at their own lame jokes? 
 
I don't know if he actually thought he was throwing me crumbs.  Probably he did in his own clueless arrogrant mind.
 
I'm SO done.
 


   
 
From: foofoogirliegirl007 Sent: 1/17/2007 11:55 AM

Princess:  Hehehehehe.  Yup, my exNbf made more $$$ than anyone on the planet.  You were supposed to be impressed with that (and he made sure he told anyone and everyone how much money he made) ... and never notice that he was a falling down drunk; a bigot; had a dirty car, house, and person; a hound dog who dropped his zipper for anything; was a liar...yup, he thought having all that $$$ gave him a free bad for any kind of bad behavior he was exhibiting at any given moment (which was all the time).



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