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Offline ~Solo

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I'm reading this book, "Women who love too much"  (Thank you Susy!) and I'm finding that the Eros type of love is what I had been operating on.  I did marry my husband knowing this subconsciously and even thought consciously, "I fell in love for the right reasons (or so I thought); i felt a very passionate attraction to him, I didn't marry him for money (I thought that noble at the time), I could see us "building" together (his house was in utter shambles!), we both like the outdoors, dogs, adventure, travel, want kids, want marriage, both want a red wall in our bedroom (ha!- this being a more lighthearted and humorous one!), I saw him as caring and giving (he remained financially giving to the end and still has continued me to use the credit card for things I need even though I believe it is out of fear that I will ask for more money from our divorce as he has stated it in so many words).  I saw all the "feel good" things.  What I failed to look at was this:  How does he relate to me when I'm feeling lonely or sad?  Does he pursue quality time with me and when he does, is he really present?  How emotionally mature is he?  How self aware is he?  Does he accept his past as a path rather than a mistake?  How committed has he been  in his past?  So many things of vital importance that I missed during the physical attraction of it all!  Not to mention, moving in right away….my BIGGEST mistake ever!  Wow….what a blow to look back and see how weakened of a state I was (and still am frankly) in and so willing to adhere to it.     

I believe he too felt the same for me in the way of responding to the passion.  We began our relationship by way of Eros.  We could not have possibly become friends in two months at which point, I moved in with him!!  Yes, we moved in together immediately.  I was saving for a home and living with a roommate when my roommate's ex W had died from a tumor in her brain which left her kids needing a place to stay.  My roommate then stepped up to help and therefore needed the room which I rented.  So, I had been seeing my Nhusband for two months and it was soooo good, so fun, and felt so right even though in the back of my mind, I had a fear of the guy I felt he was or is despite what he claimed to be.  He was overly gregarious for my taste (is that the right term for an N?), flirty (Histrionic factor?) and too hot to be that way, very active on his phone texting and emailing or taking calls constantly during every time we spent together minus the time we went into the Sierras where there wasn't any cell service.  He seemed to always have some idea brewing or a person that wanted to do "something" with him.  I think the challenge of catching "such a guy" intrigued me and I thought that if I could catch that guy, it must mean that I'm "worthy" and therefore "that kind of girl".  I dunno….I think that's it anyway.  I think back to the red flags for me which I ignored.  The first one being his texting me once a day during a weekend wedding he went to after I met him  (which he invited me to go to and stay with him the entire weekend!! --hellloooo-a little quick to move, huh?) and expecting me to respond (i didn't text back then) like I was some high school girl.  I didn't respond by text, but by phone at the end of the three days of his weekend away.  Now texting has become VERY mainstream (even to me because of it's popularity) and I'm not sure if it's used in such a healthy way.  The second red flag was discovered when we met up once and (mind you I was casually dating another man whom I had met prior to my N husband which he knew of because I am pretty honest).  I observed that after sitting with him for about twenty minutes, he became uneasy and had to go all of a sudden.  I responded after he left (taking the bait, hook, line and sinker) asking him if he was ok and what had happened.  He didn't come right out and say, "you didn't respond to me in the manner which showed me that I'm undeniably "it" so I had to go and lick my wounds.  However, I felt it and it became more apparent to me that was what had happened as time went on.  I was very cool at first, as I always am.  I'm reserved and I try to see if I can "feel safe" with someone before showing too much interest.  Once in the past, I let this same mistake catch me into a 3 and 1/2 year relationship when my then "interest" used the "take away" approach which worked beautifully on me.  Again, it was because I was "cool" and didn't show that I was taken by him.  It was like I couldn't take being rejected so I scratched more to see if I could bring him back around.  When, in fact, I should have accepted that he wasn't emotionally intelligent and mature to understand that it takes time to get that kind of attention from someone.  Or at least, it should be that way.  After all, who deserves it just because one is attractive and friendly?  Hopefully, I'm not missing something else in there somewhere besides my inability to NOT react to these men (also an ability to be emotionally mature myself) and give in to what they were looking for! 
 
I'm not sure that this was very clear in what I am trying to achieve by sharing.  Maybe, I'm just sharing or looking for some sort of validation for my actions as either healthy in some ways (so I feel that all is not entirely lost) or that maybe one could point out "something" that could be key to why I behaved as I did….

I am enjoying the book and will get through it quickly as I really want to learn, grow and feel "full" without having someone to give me the "impression" of just that.
I hope to share more as I read….

Thanks all for reading and I appreciate this forum for self discovery, shared pain, validation, and like the Phoenix rising from it's own ashes, recovery and New Life by way of using this site as one of the most valuable tools!!

~Solo
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Re: "Hello" moment inspired by "Women who love too much".......
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 05:17:54 PM »
Solo, like you I could write a statement about what my intentions were when applying to the narc relationship. All of which were absolutely healthy such as desire for companion , sex, friendship etc. Regular stuff. The other side of the coin is where I was at in my head in terms of my personal power. This was my unhealthy side and also acceptable. Not to say there was something wrong with me just a potential for growth.

Unfortunately with the lack of personal power which isn't always seen by what some one is doing but that internal connection which includes listening to intuitions. I can make a whole list on this side as well.

With a narc, all my intentions were targeted as vulnerabilities. so no matter how regular they were ... it had really nothing to do with my intentions but my lack of knowledge for the narcissist intentions. This is where the other side of the coin kicks in... my personal power. When that is low or nill then I was unable to notice all the stuff that I am able to notice now. I am only able to notice the external connections such as ... we both like to hike, we both like the same kinds of movies or we both like the same kinds of foods ... those kinds of matches and agreements that have nothing to do with the emotional properties to a persons internal map. My own internal map ... the invisible stuff like what the actual glue is made of and not the objects being held together was wax. Too busy looking at the objects to notice it was all wax. I couldn't tell wax at the time.

I couldn't tell wax because of ME and not the narcissist. That made it easy for the narcissist to put objects together with wax and me still seeing the objects with out the kind of connection needed to make it stick together or happen.

It has always been my choice to say that I allowed the relationship. ON the other hand I was not with the intention of allowing abuse. But as long as I kept my eye on the objects being assembled then well I got busy picking up parts and always trying to was them together. That is all there was and I only knew different when I stopped looking at the objects. That is what took the time and that is where personal power began.

I hope the analogy work here. There was no wrong any one did because they engaged with a narcissist. There was never a wrong but only potential to change and empower.

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Re: "Hello" moment inspired by "Women who love too much".......
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 05:41:37 PM »
Eyes:  Thank you for the powerful analogy!  IT did make so much sense and it works.  We all "know" what the objects are that we need to put together in order to have the structure.  However, .....that glue!!  That's so important to make sure the structure stays together!  The glue is made up of substances that hopefully don't dry out and crack giving way to pressure and sustained formation, ultimately falling to pieces and therefore a failed structure.

Very, very powerful analogy!  Thank you Eyes... It's so obvious that MY GLUE DID DRY OUT.  I'm taking responsibility for this.  I realize that it's one thing to realize you've been taken by a Narc, but another to own up to why.  Not everyone falls for a Narc because they have the same issues I do, but I'm guessing quite a few are picked out by the vultures for a reason. 

It's funny that I still am unable to see my husband as a full blown N.  I don't know if it's denial in some way on my part or that I DO take the responsibility?  Either way, I'm guessing it's great that I have to do the work. 

~Solo
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Re: "Hello" moment inspired by "Women who love too much".......
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 10:25:26 PM »
Solo, Just to help out with the analogy a little what I call 'wax' is the thing that joins the objects together. What I am saying is that the narcissist uses wax or the couple uses wax together. You may think it is glue but we find out what is really supposed ot bind is not glue but wax.

Once I know myself through and through no wax will I be able to settle for. I will expect glue because glue is the stuff. I now how to identify what is the real substance because my substance is well known.

As soon as we are born we are issued up conditions. As humans we are all born into growth. Hard times produce growth past the body but the mind heart and spirit. Those are the most intense and they are meant for adults. Babies only need to learn to walk... but it never really ends.

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