"Tangled" movie

[Kiki]

My kids LOVE the movie "Tangled." I had work and missed that movie time. So, my daughter bought it with her birthday money, we popped corn, got all snuggly, and watched it the other night.

WELL.

Have you all seen it? The mother in it? Mother Gothel? Classic malignant N. As soon as the movie shows up interaction between her and Rapunzel, I broke out into a sweat. Mother Gothel is mega-critical, slams Rapunzel emotionally, but says it's just a joke or for her own good, etc. There's even a song that she sings. I was trying not to scream, "Run, Rapunzel, RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN" while I watched it.

OK. Maybe a slight exaggeration. Slight. But it was freaky that it made me all nervous and panicky. And the song is so catchy and horrible, "Mother Knows Best":

Mother Gothel:
You want to go outside? Why, Rapunzel...!
Look at you, as fragile as a flower
Still a little sapling, just a sprout
You know why we stay up in this tower

Rapunzel:
I know but...

Mother Gothel:
That's right, to keep you safe and sound, dear
Guess I always knew this day was coming
Knew that soon you'd want to leave the nest
Soon, but not yet

Rapunzel:
But --

Mother Gothel:
Shh!
Trust me, pet
Mother knows best
Mother knows best
Listen to your mother
It's a scary world out there
Mother knows best
One way or another
Something will go wrong, I swear
Ruffians, thugs
Poison ivy, quicksand
Cannibals and snakes
The plague

Rapunzel:
No!

Mother Gothel:
Yes!

Rapunzel:
But --

Mother Gothel:
Also large bugs
Men with pointy teeth, and
Stop, no more, you'll just upset me
Mother's right here
Mother will protect you
Darling, here's what I suggest
Skip the drama
Stay with mama
Mother knows best
Go ahead, get trampled by a rhino
Go ahead, get mugged and left for dead
Me, I'm just your mother, what do I know?
I only bathed and changed and nursed you
Go ahead and leave me, I deserve it
Let me die alone here, be my guest
When it's too late
You'll see, just wait
Mother knows best
Mother knows best
Take it from your mumsy
On your own, you won't survive
Sloppy, underdressed
Immature, clumsy
Please, they'll eat you up alive
Gullible, naive
Positively grubby
Ditzy and a bit, well, hmm vague
Plus, I believe
Gettin' kinda chubby
I'm just saying 'cause I wuv you
Mother understands
Mother's here to help you
All I have is one request
Rapunzel?

Rapunzel:
Yes?

Mother Gothel:
Don't ever ask to leave this tower again.

Rapunzel:
Yes, Mother.

Mother Gothel:
I love you very much, dear.

Rapunzel:
I love you more.

Mother Gothel:
I love you most.
Don't forget it
You'll regret it
Mother knows best
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I thought I'd warn any of you who might see the animated flick that, WOW, if you have an N. mother, this is just shiver-inducing. Scariest Disney villain EVER.  (But the cool part is that Rapunzel learns to redefine herself, prove that N. mother wrong. Bwahaha. Take that, Mother Gothel.)

[SusyP14]

I took my Goddaughter to see it at Thanksgiving and thought the very same thing.  We should add it to the Narcs in Movies list we have going on around here (somewhere!!!!)

[LettingGo]

Kiki, I am so glad you started this thread. I took my 3 almost 4 yr old to see this Movie. And I had the very same reaction, Mother Gothel is definitely Awful. I agree w/you No Disney Villian has ever had that type of effect on me like this one. She is Old School Wicked. But on the flip side, what a perfect example of a NM aka Momster. From the very beginning to the end. How the Child's very Life was stolen, her true identity denied by a Pathological Liar who only kept Rapunzel around to benefit Momster's false image of herself. Fantastic Illustration of the KoN too. Kept isolated from others, taught to fear and not trust others especially when they disagree w/the N's agenda. Twisting Rapunzel's perception of others who truly care about her and can see the Momster for who she really is instead of what she pretends to be.

The evil song and dance from the Momster and the Mother Knows Best. I know that my biological Momster would have been thrilled to hear that song and would reenact it over and over again taunting me w/those words. What kind of Mother would enjoy tormenting their Child -- Mother Gothel or Mother Aweful. One of the Momster's favorite movies is Mommie Dearest. The evil Momster in that movie is someone the Momster aspired to be like. When we realize that we have a NM and Mother Doesn't Knows Best  and actually that Mother is the Worst, she has a wicked agenda to keep us trapped in her KoN, she does not value us for who we are, only how we can serve her, then we begin to break the N-chantment Spell.

Did you notice how Rapunzel had to hide her talent, her God given Gifts of painting, and her desires and goals? And the scene with Rapunzel in the dark drowning and had to use the light within her to find her escape not only for herself, but for the person she loved - Hello! The Struggle & Fight for Repunzel's Freedom.

And Kiki of course I gotta ask you, What do you think the moral to this story is?
I have mine, but I am interested in hearing yours and others who have been casted as Rapunzel and had to let down their hair to escape the KoN.

What is the Message the Writers were trying to get across in regards to a person who has a NM?

For those of us who have Children and have had to go No Contact or even Limited Contact w/a Nparent, especially a Momster. Rent this movie and show your Child what a NM looks like. This gave my DD and I a chance to talk about "Mean People" who of course are Narcissists -- wonder when the right age would be to introduce her to the word Narcissist?  DD and I talked about how Rapunzel thought that Mother Gothel loved her at first and how she was her Mother, how Mother Gothel lied and didn't really love Rapunzel, didn't let her do things, only wanted to use Rapunzel for herself to hide who she really was, how Mother Gothel called her Daughter names and was mean, didn't care that she was in danger, and tried to hurt her by drowning her and not helping her, how Rapunzel had to find her Real Mommy & Daddy who Love her and have been looking for her, how Rapunzel how to leave Mother Gothel to be safe and be happy. And after we talked about how Mother Gothel is a NM, then I told DD that Momma's Mom was even WORSE then Mother Gothel.  DD said "Oh I understand, I'm so sad that your Mommy was mean to you Momma", and she gave me a long hug and kiss. She has so much compassion and a strong desire to comfort me and others. Amazing Empathy. She had more Empathy at 2yrs old then any of the Ns in the KoN

[rossignolchante]

I watched it recently and thought the exact same thing.  It was uncanny how the witch portrayed N traits, and how Rapunzel responded with extremes of guilt and happiness.

[CZBZ]

How does it end with Mother Gothel? Did they put a Disney spin on the story???? Did Mother Gothel turn into Mother Teresa??

Yea, I'm asking for a plot spoiler, LOL, but it's not a movie I'd likely watch on my own. I saw it at Best Buy yesterday and wondered what it was about 'cuz i love fairytales so much.


Hugs,
CZ

[NewWings4MeNow]

XNH took d to see this film and she told me how terrific it was.

Need I say more ...?

NewWings4MeNow

[victimnomore]

Susy or anyone else, do you have any idea where I could find the WoN "Ns in movies" list?  I'd love to see that.  Last night, I watched "The Bucket List" for the first time.  Wow, was Jack Nicholson's character in that a total N!  It was so upsetting to me to see him getting better.  I kept wanting to yell at the TV, "Ns DON'T GET BETTER!!!"  I think Hollywood has played a huge role in indoctrinating us all into thinking that Ns can get better if only they find the right person.  Women are programmed to accept this damaging idea, leading us into toxic Rs with toxic Ns, expecting Disney results and ending up here instead, trying to pick up the pieces of our lives.

[NewWings4MeNow]

I've seen "The Bucket List" and certainly agree about the character.

It's also said that Ns at midlife+ facing mortality or dealing with FOO death can have "come to Jesus" experiences and make improvements if they're jarred into it.  (Um, clearly this doesn't apply to XNH who's father died in December, as he's back to his usual aggressive behaviors.)

Note that Jack Nicholson's personality/demeanor became more sober regarding Rs that mattered as the film progressed.  Thus the whole notion of atonement/restitution, applied.

NewWings4MeNow

[CZBZ]

"I think Hollywood has played a huge role in indoctrinating us all into thinking that Ns can get better if only they find the right person. "

You are soooooooo right, victimnomore! We are taught from the cradle, that the 'right woman' can heal any man. That he'll settle down, grow roses and bake us cakes once he meets the right woman. IT's nonsense...pure nonsense. When you finally break through your programming and pay attention to what our society teaches people, you forgive yourself just a little bit. ha!


Hugs,
CZ

[CZBZ]

We don't have a specific category for Ns and movies. We have our forensic lab, but no N-theatre. Good idea though. I'll run a search on our site and see what comes up.


Hugs,
CZ

[NewWings4MeNow]

CZ,

Ns in Theatre, Ns in Pop Culture -- I think these are all archetypically instructive and would be great resources as they're common frames of reference especially for newbies.

NewWings4MeNow

[LettingGo]

  DON'T read the following if you want to see the Movie and don't want to know the ending.

How does it end with Mother Gothel? Did they put a Disney spin on the story???? Did Mother Gothel turn into Mother Teresa??

Yea, I'm asking for a plot spoiler, LOL, but it's not a movie I'd likely watch on my own. I saw it at Best Buy yesterday and wondered what it was about 'cuz i love fairytales so much. ~ CZ

CZ this is not the typical Bad Boy turns Good theme that is found in the Vamp Movies or Disney Beast becomes Prince Charming. You will like this ending.

Wow, was Jack Nicholson's character in that a total N!  It was so upsetting to me to see him getting better.  I kept wanting to yell at the TV, "Ns DON'T GET BETTER!!!"

VictimNoMore, I have felt the same way. I can not stand to watch the stupid plot played out. Have you ever wondered why Jack Nicholson is always casted in the same role as a N? He is a charcter actor that is typed casted. I have seen him on tv and in person and he always sets the red flags a waving. I have friends who have had contact w/Jack and they say he is a Jack@ss, a total N, they say he has mellowed out over the years.

My DH and I were at a Benefit where Patrick Stewart did a One Man show of a the Classic Christmas Carol (well done), before the play began my DH (I die hard Trekie spotted William Shatner in the audience, we were early and there was some time before the play started. William Shatner was not off in a corner or in the back trying to hide from others (like some other actors, the audience was actually populated w/actors and other famous people), he was located center left, other fans were approaching the actor, so I encouraged my DH to go up and say HI. Reluctantly my DH went over to say Hi and the actor who played Captin Kirk turned out to be a complete Jerk. Completely ignored my DH, no eye contact, no smile or polite wave to acknowledge my DH's presence, no response to my DH's Hello I have enjoyed watching you for years, like my DH didn't even exist.   We have talked to others who have met William Shatner and they too have confirmed that Kirk is a Jerk. DH is a die hard Fan and still watches Captin Jerk, but I can't stomach him. His acting is so. . . . . completly. . . . horrible,   and he is a N so  

Susy or anyone else, do you have any idea where I could find the WoN "Ns in movies" list?  I'd love to see that.

Here ya go VictimNoMore and anyone else who is interested.
http://www.webofnarcissism.com/forums/index.php/topic,6920.0.html

"I think Hollywood has played a huge role in indoctrinating us all into thinking that Ns can get better if only they find the right person. " ~ VictimNoMore

Ns in Theatre, Ns in Pop Culture -- I think these are all archetypically instructive and would be great resources as they're common frames of reference especially for newbies. ~ NewWings

VictimNoMore & NewWings I feel the same way and that is why I started the Thread. I have known to be N-chanted by the Vamp movies and shows, where the theme of the Bad Boy becoming Good is the main plot, just like the Classic Beauty and the Beast Story. Why do the Vamp Movies & Shows have such a great appeal? Because it is that Elusive Love that becomes obtainable, but in Reality the N's love is not Elusive (hard to get) it is Illusive (not existing) thus impossible to achieve. The Impossible is not Possible w/mere Human Beings, that is why it is called Impossible. Hey I tried the Impossible 20 years of my adult life, such a deadly trap. 

[victimnomore]

Letting Go, thanks for the link!  Great discussion.  I'd also noticed that Jack Nicholson seems to ALWAYS play one type of PD or another.  I'm sure just his body of work alone would show a wealth of evidence of Hollywood's fascination with/glamorization of PDs in general and Ns in particular.  And I'd heard that about both Jack Nicholson and William Shatner.  I'm guessing that acting like Ns is not difficult for them and is instead less like acting and more like just reading a script and getting paid big bucks. 

I'm thinking a weekly WoN film viewing (rented or out in theaters) and discussion might be fun and therapeutic.   

[SusyP14]

VictimNoMore,

Here is the post I was referring to where members listed TV shows/characters and movies with Ns:

http://www.webofnarcissism.com/forums/index.php/topic,6920.0.html

Don't you worry.  Once you have received 'your education' you will see them every where!!!

[LettingGo]

I'm thinking a weekly WoN film viewing (rented or out in theaters) and discussion might be fun and therapeutic.

  I have been wanting to do that for awhile now. Being able to discuss the movie w/others who know and are in the know rather than just watching it w/others who aren't and don't know makes a Big Difference.
I wonder how many others would be interested?

[rossignolchante]

How does it end with Mother Gothel? Did they put a Disney spin on the story???? Did Mother Gothel turn into Mother Teresa??

Yea, I'm asking for a plot spoiler, LOL, but it's not a movie I'd likely watch on my own. I saw it at Best Buy yesterday and wondered what it was about 'cuz i love fairytales so much.


Hugs,
CZ

She gets killed off in the end, thereby enforcing "no contact" for life!  Lucky Rapunzel!
I read a terrific book called Women who run with the Wolves, by Clarissa Pinkola Estes which delves into the original stories that fairy tales are based on, which were later Christianized (and sanitized).  There is a lot of rich symbolizm and warnings to women about men (vs women/witches) who will dominate and kill you...

[rossignolchante]

"I think Hollywood has played a huge role in indoctrinating us all into thinking that Ns can get better if only they find the right person. "

You are soooooooo right, victimnomore! We are taught from the cradle, that the 'right woman' can heal any man. That he'll settle down, grow roses and bake us cakes once he meets the right woman. IT's nonsense...pure nonsense. When you finally break through your programming and pay attention to what our society teaches people, you forgive yourself just a little bit. ha!

Hugs,
CZ

I caught an old movie (1930s ish) after it had started, and was amazed at the storyline which mirrors modern day problems with men and women.
A young woman decides she will never get married, would rather be 'free'.  She has a young man who wants to marry her, but she tells him that she doesn't love him. Her aunt, proclaims the value of marriage, only to be publicly humiliated when her husband is seen with another younger woman at a dinner event.  She then commits suicide. (During the movie, the uncle is not blamed, but rather his wife is depicted as being too hysterical).  The young woman falls in love with a man who is a travelling journalist, and never sees her for very long, or writes when he is away.  Still, she falls madly in love with him, and agrees to go with him to Mexico.  They stay there for what is portrayed as a few blissful months, during which time he confesses he has a wife in Paris.  Young woman accepts this, and doesn't even fault him for not telling her.  Narcissist then gets another urgent job, and leaves, without her.  She begs to go with him, but he runs off alone.  She then turns to a life of promiscuity, drinking and parties.  Her male friend shows up, proposes again.  Then she gets a telegram from Narcissist saying that he divorced his wife, and still loved and wanted to marry her.  She rushes to him, only to be rejected because of what he has learned about her promiscuous reputation.  After initial protests, she agrees that she should have waited for him, and since he has rejected her, swears off all men.  After another couple of years, they meet, and he accepts her, and they marry. 

Anyway, I was watching thinking that the ending should have been her realizing her male friend was the one who really cared for her. 

The other movie I always think of with that theme is the Johnny Cash story, Ring of Fire. 

[CZBZ]

"I read a terrific book called Women who run with the Wolves, by Clarissa Pinkola Estes which delves into the original stories that fairy tales are based on, which were later Christianized (and sanitized).  There is a lot of rich symbolizm and warnings to women about men (vs women/witches) who will dominate and kill you.."


Another Clarissa Estes fan? PracticalJude is an original WoN founder along with myself. She believes 'Women who run with Wolves' saved her sanity and she also encouraged me to read the book because we both loved fairytales and recognized the archetypal significance.

Way back when I was still half asleep from the rotten apple my parents gave me when I was a mere princess in a farm tower made of straw and cow manure....hehehe...i decided to go back to college and major in Women's studies. My feminista professors discussed fairtytales and cultural programming which inspired me to write a few feminist fairy tales for fun (and an A+). It was only after Hansel ran away with Gretel and they both tried shoving me in the bonfire THEY started, that I began learning about the archetypal significance of fairytales. The rich symbolism of witches and crones and scary stepmothers.

At my weakest during the D&D when nothing would have surprised me, not even seeing a Cheshire cat lounging atop my kitchen cabinets, i naturally drifted towards fairytales as a way to describe what I was experiencing. Yea, you all know it was ptsd---but rather than consider myself insane, I dove headfirst into a pool of imagination and found my way out of the enchanted forest ONLY after grabbing the golden fleece and running like hell.  

One of the images I created for our new site(s) which I hope will inspire and comfort people while they heal! (isn't she darling?!!)

Hugs,
CZ

[rossignolchante]

Another Clarissa Estes fan? PracticalJude is an original WoN founder along with myself. She believes 'Women who run with Wolves' saved her sanity and she also encouraged me to read the book because we both loved fairytales and recognized the archetypal significance.

Yes, I am a fan, and I've been trying to re-read that book, but it takes more concentration than I have while working.  Maybe in the summertime when I can ponder more deeply.  That is neat that you created some feminist fairy tales.  And your artwork is wonderful.  Did you illustrate the stories you created?  I think there would be a market for such books for children.

[CZBZ]

O! I didn't draw little Miss Muffet. It's an illustration from a fairy tale book that's old enough to be in teh public domain. i just put a gold frame on it, tinted the colors, faded in spider webs, you know---the Photoshop-when-you-can't-sleep hormonal crisis? ha!

There's few websites featuring people's fairytale stories that they've written themselves. I have so enjoyed browsing the Internet at wee hours of the morning and reading how people have processed the Narcissistic Tragedy...they don't know it's a 'narcissistic tragedy'. To them it's just a tragedy but they were able to convert their experience into a fairytale narrative. Which is amazing and inspiring and beautiful in and of itself.

Sometimes those academic, scientific, researched and proven explanations murder the pure mystery of our lives. I try to balance the two so I don't loft into the ethers on fairy wings but I don't sludge through the mud every day in gangrene-causing combat boots either.

Never discount the healing power of archetypal stories you cannot explain nor understand nor have validated by the clinically scientific.   If you are 'moved' (as I often am) by your emotions and deep feelings, be moved. And grateful you have them. Let the mystery be.


Hugs
CZ

[CZBZ]

And here's the motto of my life, as sung by Iris DeMent one of my very favorite singers in the whole wide universe.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80[/youtube]



Hugs all,
CZ

[LettingGo]

I have so enjoyed browsing the Internet at wee hours of the morning and reading how people have processed the Narcissistic Tragedy...they don't know it's a 'narcissistic tragedy'. To them it's just a tragedy but they were able to convert their experience into a fairytale narrative. ~ CZ

I can relate to what you said. Being born and raised in the KoN, I knew it was definitely no Comedy due to lack of laughter, I knew it was one Hell of a Drama, but it is very much a Tragedy. But that was Then and This is NOW. It is so essential that in our Healing Process we are no longer defined by our Painful Past. Send the Past up in Flames and let it Burn to Ashes and we will Rise From the Ashes with a New Life. In this New Life I can not look at Ns and while much of what they do to hurt others is very Tragic, the Stupid Stuff they do or say is a Comedy for sure and I can actually find mySelf 

Interesting song by Iris DeMent, there was a time in my Life that I felt that very same way due to uncertainty. I have been told my entire life that I have an Old Soul and have Wisdom Beyound my years -- I thought that was just the way older folks gave compliments and since I was in a state of Lesser-Than I thought well maybe that is true for others, but not me. The best I can hope for is to be Average Someday. People have asked me where does this Wisdom come from and when I first arrived at WoN I the regulars took notice of something I took for granted. They said that for a Newbie I had great wisdom. I am for certain a Work in Progess and have much to learn that I do not know. But I ASSURE you and I am for CERTAIN there is a God and there is a World beyound the Physical. It is not a fairy tale, a side effect from PTSD, a delusion, or illusion. How do I know what I know to be Certain? How do I know that Without Empathy there is No Humanity -- Because I know Without God there is No Love. God is Love. God is the Source of Love. We were made in God's image thus God is Male and Female not as in a Hermaphrodite, as some say "A Mistake of Nature", God is the Source of Nature including Human beings. God transcends Gender. No Religion, not mine or anyone else has been able to Reveal God you have to choose to open yourself up to God. Fear Not. God is Real and God loves You.
 
You have no idea how much I LOVE you and how much I Value and Treasure you as a Person as an Amazing and Beautiful Spirit, who I TRUST more than most in this World. WoN is a Godsend because you CZ allow True Healing to Happen, you empower us to speak in our own Unique Voice. I can never tell you what that has done for me, more than any in person Support Group or Self-Help Book and right up there with my Best Therapy Sessions. It is so VERY scary to Need other human beings, so much so that you will quite your own Voice just to be accepted, or at least tolerated in order to be apart of a Fantastic Group, the pain of Rejection & Abandonment brings on Great Fear, so much so that I Fear even losing my Voice here.

You know what happened to me w/the N in Sheep's Clothing when I just mentioned the Word God, as in saying Free at Last Free at Last, thank God almighty I am Free at Last (that is all I said in one post) in another post I made an analogy of getting into the boat and finding our new life just beyound the Horizon under the Son and since I didn't spell it Sun I got another Warning aka Threat and told I was breaking the Code of Conduct NoN Prothesizing Rule. While others can use God's name in vain I couldn't even say Thank God I am NC w/the Momster. I was Banned from the Danu's Forum and I know it was a Blessing because in time what God told me was eventually revealed when everyone thought I was the crazy one. That experience was so very painful that said I don't believe in Message Boards or Forums. God knew there was more healing to be done with me and I can not offord Therapy so I surfed on over to WoN where Member at that time were only talking about N boyfriends and Spouses or Friends, and I thought I would not fit in, because the worse N I experienced was w/the Momster. I thought know one would accept me or relate to me and if I spoke of God I would be banned & burned all over again. I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed some more, and God said, Fear Not go into WoN, so I did. I has been an Amazing Experience to Heal in so many ways because CZ gives us the Freedom to speak in our own unique Voice. I don't know where I was going because Fear has come to Battle me right now. OH, WoN is such a Great Place and I would not risk it all meaning I would not risk being mySelf and sharing what I know and who I know to be real unless I was beyound 100% CERTAIN about God. I am not that brave to risk it all just for a Fairy Tale.
 

[too_many]

Once I learned to read, my mom could barely keep me in library books, so when I was seven or eight, she bought me a copy of the 863-page Complete Grimm’s Fairy Tales, after first calling me over in the mall bookstore and asking if I wanted and thought I could read it.  I was thrilled both because presents outside Christmas or birthdays were rare and usually something like new crayons, bubbles, or a coloring book, and because her question told me that she thought I could read it – a grown-up book!

So over about two years, in between other books, I read that thing cover to cover. I covered it in contact paper to keep it nice, I still have it – that’s how come I know how many pages – I even read the introduction and the commentary, although they didn’t make a lick of sense to me then, lol.  Many of the stories were tough going, entertainment-wise, so many were so similar, but I liked learning the heel and toe-chopping desperation of Cinderella’s stepsisters, and the other unsanitized bits in the most familiar ones.  I read the whole thing and was glad I’d done it, but also relieved to be done, and soon came to see most fairy tales as stupid and not helpful in reality at all, especially after my mom died. 

But then, in ninth grade, my friend and her parents brought me along with them to see the Broadway tour of Stephen Sondheim’s Into the Woods as my birthday present.  OMG – that remains - tied up with the book from my mom - the best and most useful present I’ve ever gotten!!!  I thought I had outgrown those tales, but they’ve endured through the ages for good reason, and the way that Sondheim and James Lapine played with them and continued with a second act that was all about reality, well, I still can’t find the words...

 I’m not sure what I’d make of it if I were to first see it today, but the lyrics are definitely brilliant and wise and not bad at all to have in your head starting at age fifteen, and I am certain that many of the better decisions I have made came from carefully considering their advice and counsel.  They are just so empowering – that we all have times we have to grope through dark places and do the best we can, and that’s it’s okay to want things and take action, but all your choices have the possibility of harming others or other consequences you didn’t intend so you have to also be very careful.
 
It was funny too because a few years later, I had the chance to take my little sisters to see it as a community theater production, and I invited my dad and his girlfriend without much thought, and he actually agreed to take her, and once the lights went out I started to panic.  OMG, this play expresses everything I most deeply feel and believe, I already said in inviting them how much I love it, what if when the lights come up he 1) turns to me crying, and apologizes for how clueless he’s been, and vows to be different – how long can that last? Or, 2) asks me why I like it so much and tries to understand, or 3) is angry, wants to know if I think he failed me, and how could I be so ungrateful or 4) is hurt, for same reasons as in #3.  It was very anxiety-making because at least with the status quo, I knew what to expect. 

I needn’t have worried though, because as soon as the lights came up, he instantly said it was the stupidest thing he’d ever seen. 

(One of the biggest themes in it is parenthood - towards the end the character of the Baker says, "How can I go about being a father with no one to mother my child?")

too_many

[CZBZ]

Hi LettingGo! I posted a reply to the thread you started after posting your message: Fear of Being Me

Don't worry...I am not even thinking about, nor have I even considered---Banning you. 


Hugs,
CZ

[rossignolchante]

Lovely song, thank you for sharing it.

And here's the motto of my life, as sung by Iris DeMent one of my very favorite singers in the whole wide universe.
Hugs all,
CZ