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Author Topic: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)  (Read 1718 times)

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2011, 01:45:25 AM »
I have a background in site administration, and blogs are the number one way that toxic people try to "get revenge" on the forums that disallow their bad behavior. They think they're going to "destroy the forum" by weaving nasty tall tales about how they were "abused" there, and how people should stay away.

It never works, though, because if you enter a forum and you feel safe and it's peaceful in there, and nobody ever bothers you, then it becomes obvious that the problem isn't inside the forum -- it's in those angry people, and the forum owners were just doing their job putting limits on toxic, projecting people for your safety. Somebody has to do it.

Forum owners have the right to say who they don't want on their forums, PERIOD. If a forum owner doesn't like what they see a member doing, for the safety of all, it's well within their rights to decide they'd rather not have that person return. Typically, these people are toxic and refuse to accept any responsibility, and they try to discredit the forum.

You never see these people looking at their own behavior. All they ever do is play the innocent martyr, telling people they did nothing wrong and were horribly abused at that slaughterhouse of an evil  forum. Meanwhile, inside the forum, it's peaceful and everyone is respecting the rules and each other. Funny, that. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

The day we see any of these people being honest for once and saying, "Hmm, maybe I was kicked off that forum because my behavior seemed arrogant, grandiose and pushy and they didn't want that on their forum" is the day forums no longer need administrators.

Until then, I just consider that stuff to be toxic emissions from toxic people, and thank you, admin for keeping them away from us so that the inside of the forum is safe. You can't always say that about the rest of the internet, so it pays to be very careful of people who are crying victim while attacking at the same time.
 

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2011, 09:50:32 AM »
Didn't we meet on the NPD forum way back in, let's see...was it 2004 or something like that?
How do you remember this stuff? I checked my journal and I joined the (original?) N-target forum on Valentines Day 2004, but I had already been reading there about a year, and maybe posting under another name.

The six months before that, after separating from the NH and before finding that forum were the worst time of my life. Even that forum where we reeeally had to watch our Ps & Qs was great validation, and a lifesaver. Eventually I got tired of being reprimanded there, and finally just quit squeeking up. I finally figured out that the reply function was ONLY for sympathizing with fellow targets, NOT for offering your opinions or suggestions. I was sooo glad when you decided to start another forum where we could have normal conversations.

I hope it doesn't become necessary for you to take legal action about the hate blogging, what a drain on resources. I really can't imagine many people taking the libel seriously because it's rather melodramatic.

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2011, 05:11:45 PM »

"thank you, admin for keeping them away from us so that the inside of the forum is safe. You can't always say that about the rest of the internet, so it pays to be very careful of people who are crying victim while attacking at the same time."

You are welcome, Scribbles!

You can find WoNderful people on the Internet so it's only to be expected that you'll meet a few folks who don't like your face. That's true in real life, why not in cyberspace? Ever run an organization or business and not be criticized by other people?

When someone gets riled up and claims you are the worst administrator in the whole world, administrators could shrug their shoulders and say, Au revoir! Who cares?"

Fact is: not everyone will value what you have to offer and not everyone will respect your right to make judgement calls and enforce boundaries. You'd just say to them and yourself "You don't like my organization? I"m sorry you feel that way. I hope you find one that better meets your needs." And you might them send a Customer Service questionnaire to see how you can improve the quality of your service. Or you might be extra nice and help them start their own organization that is specific to the needs you could not provide for them.

WoN is an educational website that attracts vulnerable people---people like myself who needed extra time healing in a trustworthy environment. For that reason, most abuse sites I visited had strict boundaries...so strict it was stifling. My inability to find a website encouraged me to try running a site with a few of my friends. We wanted a website that:

1-encouraged camaraderie (peers, not gurus)
2-invited long-term recovery (not ten steps yer out...or even worse "no Contact" or we'll ban your ass)
3-allowed people to be negative and pessimistic ('cuz if you aren't negative about your life being blown to hell, you aren't facing reality)
4-viewed messages as people not posts
5-had a core group of longtime members with healthy (not rash) advice
6-didn't tell me I was codependent or masochistic or too-stupid-for-words just because my relationship was abusive
7-allowed me to decide how much or how often I wanted to post
8-was not a business---oriented to making money which can surpass the initial altruism at some point
9-let me say bad things about Vaknin
10-loved me for sticking around instead of pathologizing me as mentally deranged

Because I generally feel a kinship with each person joining WoN (if they are willing to share their lives with us), it can be really really hard for me to draw boundaries and yet, boundaries and rules are essential, protecting people from one another and from themselves! Being a laissez-faire personality, it's easy to see why we've been fairly lax on WoN. Generally, people reign themselves back after a little while when they are given the freedom to express themselves even if it stretches our rules & boundaries. But that still does not excuse people from behaving in socially appropriate and considerate ways. Most of the time, it's fine to let rules slip a little bit. Who wants a forum manager sending ten emails a day, telling people what they can and cannot do? If people need that, I am not the right manager for the job. Self-regulation is their job, not mine.  =msn heart=

This forum is all about learning HOW to create healthy relationships with people after the N-relationship. Many people coming from toxic homes, don't know how to do that! Finding out who you are, who other people are, relearning healthier ways to respect your boundaries and other people's boundaries will be lifelong work and WoN is a great place to get started.

Forum management means making judgment calls and determining when and how to enforce rules. There are periods of time on the forum when my role is similar to an overseer harnessing the energy of nuclear power plants.  =msn tongue= (I hope everyone laughs with me on that point...no insult intended). I try to gauge just how hot it is in the kitchen though once in awhile, the pot boils over and then I get to clean up the mess! Well what kind of metaphor did you expect from a woman in a ruffly apron? haha!!

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2011, 06:01:23 PM »

Hi Freezerburned!

Let me testify to the power of traumatic bonding. I can remember a lot of screennames way back to 2002 and yet i can't remember what we ate for dinner last night.

 
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People, each person, was so important to me---i will  never forget crying at my keyboard because they understood. Plus, your trauma made mine more bearable just knowing I wasn't alone in my confusion and pain. So I do remember a lot of people who probably never gave me a second thought once they moved on with their lives. I am one of those 'attachers' though...Make friends with me and it's damn hard to get rid of me. Ask my husband. He tried for years.  =msn tongue=

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2011, 06:46:37 PM »
CZBZ - you just crack me up - and who would have thought a year later I could have such a great belly laugh? That is what you have created here - and from the bottom of my heart - THANK YOU!! =thumbs up=
Now - bring me that horizon

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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2011, 03:52:43 PM »


Here ya go, smp:


The Mysteries of the Horizon by Rene Magritte




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Re: The WoN Copyright (this thread is not as boring as it sounds, ha!)
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2011, 06:28:03 PM »
haha - yes, that was my reality!! I seem to only see one moon for myself now!!
Now - bring me that horizon
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