Please login or register.
Login with username, password and session length

WoN Forum

May 22, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
collapse

* Narcissistic Personality Disorder


* All About WoN


* New! On WoN Blogs


* The WoN Connection


* NPD and the DSM-5


* Recent  Forum Topics


* All About You

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

* Shoutbox

Refresh History
  • Chime: Happy Beautiful Mother's Day!!!
    May 13, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
  • Chime: Happy May Day!
    May 01, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
  • Chime: Happy Holidays!!
    April 08, 2012, 09:32:48 AM
  • CZBZ: Hi sparkle! So nice to hear from you!
    March 28, 2012, 09:19:05 AM
  • Chime: Hello back!
    March 26, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
  • SparklePony: As I don't post very often, I just wanted to say hello to everyone <3  :)
    March 25, 2012, 03:31:27 PM
  • Chime: and hoping the members aren't "n"embers...  LOL
    March 17, 2012, 07:40:11 PM
  • Chime: welcome...  from the typo queen...lol
    March 17, 2012, 07:04:18 PM
  • CZBZ: Lol! Chime! THank You!!!
    March 16, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
  • Chime: ps - the pic there, and the qoute are excellent!!
    March 12, 2012, 08:29:06 PM
  • Chime: CZBZ - the welcome thread has a typo on "Members... Cheers
    March 12, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
  • Chime: ooops - hit enter when I shouldn'ta
    March 12, 2012, 08:23:17 PM
  • Chime: = what?
    March 12, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
  • Chime: ok - I am technologically challenged... alaterial: chime...
    March 12, 2012, 08:21:50 PM
  • alatariel: chime
    March 10, 2012, 07:18:37 PM
  • CZBZ: Good Monday Morning All!
    January 16, 2012, 12:44:14 PM
  • CZBZ: I have sent you an email, Farfalla!
    December 27, 2011, 11:31:53 AM
  • farfalla: I've only posted 2 post but can't even find them and have no idea if they even got reply.
    December 22, 2011, 05:44:06 PM
  • farfalla: being new I can't find this answer, there's just so much to look at, it feels a little overwhelming. Is there a way to have posts that a person has posted to have email notifiication that there is a response to a post?
    December 22, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
  • notakennedy: Dear all here at WoN, I am hoping you all have a lovley Christmas and New Year with your loved ones, it should be a time of healing and family, so as much as possible, look after yourselves and your children and be safe! It'll be warm here downunder for Christmas, to those of you where it is winter, stay warm and well!
    December 22, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
  • CZBZ: The holidays are a rough. Hope everyone is hanging in there okay!
    December 12, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
  • CZBZ: For everyone's comfort level: I do NOT have access to anyone's password.
    December 05, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
  • CZBZ: Follow the prompt when you're logging in asking if you have lost your password.
    December 05, 2011, 02:08:25 PM
  • loved2much: I forgot my password here when I went to change it, it asked for my old one and how do I get it sent to my email???
    November 28, 2011, 12:54:55 PM
  • loved2much: Hey I'm glad I came here when I was broadsided with the phone call last week.  I had an amazing Joni Mitchell concert last night and performed with many fabulous women musicians.  I am so fortunate to have blessings like this in my life that heal and renew me.
    November 08, 2011, 10:12:54 AM
  • CZBZ: I'm glad to hear that you're okay...being alone isn't nearly so bad as when you are alone together.  =tongue2=
    November 03, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
  • CZBZ: Hi there Loved2Much!
    November 03, 2011, 10:49:43 PM
  • loved2much: I'm alone and the season is changing but I am all right.
    November 03, 2011, 09:32:05 PM
  • loved2much: I'm anybody tonight
    November 03, 2011, 09:31:22 PM
  • loved2much: After 6 months he calls me to tell me that he never cheated with another woman and yes when I told him to get his shite out of my home because I was tired of supporting him and is abuse he connects with one of his students a property manager that now he has a girl friend with two kids and he hopes I find love again..  I told him to enjoy his life. and thanks for calling me.
    November 03, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
  • CZBZ: Two weeks since anybody 'shouted'...Hello! Anybody out there?
    November 03, 2011, 09:03:28 PM
  • CZBZ: Good for you! Never give up on yourself, right? Just give up on the N!!
    October 11, 2011, 01:59:13 PM
  • loved2much: I'm home from Nashville.  I gave myself permission to pursue my dreams and it was FUN.
    October 10, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
  • too_many: Yay - I'm so glad! I was wondering if I should write that the characters have developed a lot from the pilot (which I had just rewatched) :)
    October 05, 2011, 09:45:46 PM
  • CZBZ: Love this series! I'm catching up on prior episodes so I can watch this show on TV. Thanks a million for the recommendation!
    October 05, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
  • CZBZ: Thanks, too_many! I'll put it in my instant queu!
    October 03, 2011, 02:09:07 PM
  • too_many: CZ - Parenthood's up on instant Netlix now :) (has the Asperger's character)
    October 02, 2011, 07:52:44 PM
  • SydneyFireworks: HI MUMummy - how about you post a message in the Grand Hall so we can try to help you.  ((((Hugs)))
    September 16, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
  • mixedupmummy: I had his baby three years ago and moved to an isolated island miles away from him.  He's taking me to court to "teach me a lesson" and "bleed me dry".... I am terrified of losing my baby, but most immediately I am so worried I won't be able to cope.
    September 16, 2011, 07:43:15 PM
  • mixedupmummy: Help!  I've not been on for ages and the N has come back into my life with a vengeance!!!
    September 16, 2011, 07:42:11 PM
  • Imogene: 84 days of 100+ degree weather, now.  I can't take much more of this.  Half the trees in the city are going to die.
    September 15, 2011, 02:01:24 PM
  • Legs: I got to turn off the air con for the first time since February. I went for a walk and had to come back home and put on long sleeves!
    September 09, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
  • betterdays: Our cold front took temps from 105 with humidity, down to 95- 100.  Brrr, I need my snow boots now!
    September 05, 2011, 01:18:12 PM
  • Imogene: No kidding.  It's been 79 days of 100+ weather, some one told me.  Can that be true?  If so, it is just plain wrong.
    September 04, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
  • talia: Haha...Yes, Imogene! can't wait to start with walking outdoors again. I so need to!
    September 04, 2011, 02:55:20 PM
  • Imogene: I know!  Doesn't it feel GREAT!
    September 04, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
  • talia: Ecstatic here! Cool front moving thru North TX...Yippee!!
    September 04, 2011, 12:15:42 PM
  • CZBZ: Sunday morning and the sun is shining. How's everyone?
    September 04, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
  • CZBZ: ha! I love BRACKETS! Thank you!
    August 26, 2011, 03:30:11 PM
  • tango3: ((((((((())))))))
    August 26, 2011, 10:00:57 AM

* Calendar

May 2012
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 [22] 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31

No calendar events were found.

* Board Statistics

  • stats Total Members: 890
  • stats Total Posts: 69404
  • stats Total Topics: 9947
  • stats Total Categories: 15
  • stats Total Boards: 43
  • stats Most Online: 152

* Quick Search



* Inside the Castle


Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder  (Read 212 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online CZBZ

  • Administrator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 8667
    • The Narcissistic Continuum

DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« on: February 11, 2012, 03:26:52 PM »


American Psychiatric Association
DSM-5 Development
Updated June 21, 2011

T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of pathological personality traits. To diagnose narcissistic personality disorder, the following criteria must be met:

A.   Significant impairments in personality functioning manifest by:

       1.   Impairments in self functioning (a or b):

             a.  Identity: Excessive reference to others for self-definition and self-esteem regulation; exaggerated self-appraisal may be inflated or deflated, or vacillate between extremes; emotional regulation mirrors fluctuations in self-esteem.
             b.   Self-direction: Goal-setting is based on gaining approval from others; personal standards are unreasonably high in order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low based on a sense of entitlement; often unaware of own motivations.
 
AND
 
       2.   Impairments in interpersonal functioning (a or b):

             a.   Empathy: Impaired ability to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others; excessively attuned to reactions of others, but only if perceived as relevant to self; over- or underestimate of own effect on others.
             b.   Intimacy: Relationships largely superficial and exist to serve self-esteem regulation; mutuality constrained by little genuine interest in others’ experiences and predominance of a need for personal gain.

B.   Pathological personality traits in the following domain:

       1.   Antagonism, characterized by:

             a.   Grandiosity: Feelings of entitlement, either overt or covert; self-centeredness; firmly holding to the belief that one is better than others; condescending toward others.
             b.   Attention seeking: Excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of the attention of others; admiration seeking.

C.   The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and consistent across situations.
D.   The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are not better understood as normative for the individual’s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment.
E.   The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma).



(This is a copy of the APA's DSM-5 Development Page)



“The moment a woman comes home to herself, the moment she knows that she has become a person of influence, an artist of her life, a sculptor of her universe, a person with rights and responsibilities who is respected and recognized, the resurrection of the world begins.” ~Joan Chittister

Online CZBZ

  • Administrator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 8667
    • The Narcissistic Continuum

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 03:51:29 PM »


This is a very informative PDF article by the American Psychiatric Association. It describes the differences between the DSM-IV criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), DSM-5 criteria, and DSM-5 revised criteria June 2011.



“The moment a woman comes home to herself, the moment she knows that she has become a person of influence, an artist of her life, a sculptor of her universe, a person with rights and responsibilities who is respected and recognized, the resurrection of the world begins.” ~Joan Chittister

Offline alatariel

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2808

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 09:05:01 AM »
I have a question about this

Quote
E.   The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma).

How do "they" determine if an impairment is due to the direct physiological effects of a substance, when the person is a substance abuser? 

I can see how it can be due to the effects of a drug in general, b/c I took a prescription drug for a short time that made me aggressive and mean, like having constant PMS anger.  Which was noticeable, b/c I'm NOT ever, at all, an aggressive person.  But when someone is a chronic drug user, and has been for their entire adult life, how do you separate the effect of the drug from their general personality?

I ask b/c I have to wonder about dickhead.  He is an alcoholic, and that's dx'd by a professional, not just me.  He was also dx'd with "social anxiety disorder" by the professionals.  I believe he's a covert narcissist, and probably actually HAS NPD.  Is it directly attributable to the effect of alcohol?  Well, as far as I knew, he wasn't drinking for a few years, and he was still the same bazturd he'd always been, just one who could walk in a straight line.  But how would anyone ever know?  You'd have to separate him from his alcohol for years for him to fully recover from the effects of his addiction...
Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
- Ozzy

Offline Chime

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1118

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 09:19:29 AM »
I also hesitate at the "socio-cultural environment"
 
is that ever a grey area - oh, it's ok 'cause you're ___________ (fill in the blank)
working on wall street? hispanic?  african?  french?  poor?  that's what they do where you come from?  WHAT?!

Chime
“Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom, not a guide by which to live.” 
Robert F. Kennedy

Offline alatariel

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2808

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 10:27:10 AM »
Good one.  Maybe they use it to excuse a MLC, b/c that's "normal" behavior for our culture?  Or to excuse teenage selfishness, b/c our culture encourages and demands that teens be self-centered?
Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
- Ozzy

Offline Chime

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1118

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 10:45:02 AM »
Eggsactly!!!


Chime
“Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom, not a guide by which to live.” 
Robert F. Kennedy

Online CZBZ

  • Administrator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 8667
    • The Narcissistic Continuum

Re: DSM-5: T 05 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 10:49:13 AM »
My understanding is that psychologists treat the alcoholism first, or encourage clients to stop abusing drugs before treatment. So, if someone is alcoholic, it would be noted on their diagnosis and taken into consideration. The alcoholism would be part of the whole picture. But they might also receive a co-morbid diagnosis of NPD and alcoholism depending on the client's long-term "impairments." How far back did they exhibit narcissistic behaviors?

 I find it interesting how psychologists have created a system that allows them to pinpoint someone's problems. Because like you've been saying on this thread, there are so many issues going on with that person, where does one even start? A narcissist is kinda like a ball of string...you can't even find the 'end' to unwind the mess. When I saw how the DSM was based on a multi-axial system for categorizing information, well, I thought it was damn impressive! It even takes into consideration, the client's situation; such as divorce, poverty, mourning, etc. which definitely affects our state of being.

I have described how the DSM categorizes a client's mental health on a link at the top left-side of our page: The DSM, Axis II, Cluster B. For a better example of DSM codes, this article was interesting: DSM-IV codes on PsychCentral

As far as the impact of socio-cultural environment goes, this is how I've sorted that through: My extremely religious upbringing and my 'age' group bears weight with my beliefs-and-assumptions about marriage, family, women's roles and men. A woman born twenty years later than myself, has a different set of cultural beliefs about herself, marriage, men and family. And so the story goes. The way I organized life according to my socio-cultural environment might be considered "unhealthy"  for my younger nieces who did not experience the same gender restrictions (they have their own 'fun' set of trubbles to work through, tho).

I encountered this issue with a dear friend of mine who was Japanese. When her little daughter went to kindergarten, the teacher was alarmed at her 'shyness' and suggested the family get counseling. This was a misunderstanding on the teacher's part, of the socio-cultural environment of Japanese families who aren't pleased when a child "stands out" or draws attention to herself (what Americans consider to be charming and healthy). If my friend had gone to a psychologist (which she didn't), it's good to know that her cultural norms would not be pathologized by an American psychologist.

Just a few thoughts on that.

Hugs,
CZ
“The moment a woman comes home to herself, the moment she knows that she has become a person of influence, an artist of her life, a sculptor of her universe, a person with rights and responsibilities who is respected and recognized, the resurrection of the world begins.” ~Joan Chittister
Pages: [1]   Go Up
 


Thanks for visiting!